My condolences on your loss. If you remember anything I am about to write, please let it be this: Do not believe legal advice from collection agents. The legal advice collection agents offer is usually incomplete or wrong, as is always self-serving.
Deceased Spouses Debt
Some people assume a decedents debt is forgiven or possibly written off by creditors. The law does not work that way, with the exception of federal student loans. However, spouses or other relatives are not responsible for the decedents debt automatically, either. Many collection agents take advantage of a debtors grief and ignorance of the law to imply the family must pay the decedents debt, but that may not be the case.
When a person dies with a will, the will controls the financial affairs of the decedents assets, which is called the “estate.” A will distributes assets, not debts. However, before any assets can be distributed to the heirs, all known debts must be paid by the executor. Therefore, the executor will sell assets in the estate to pay for any debts that remain. Only after the debts are paid will the remaining assets be distributed among the beneficiaries of the will. The process I just described is called probate, and a lawyer experienced in probate law can guide you through the process.
If a person dies without a will, this is known as “dying intestate” in lawyer-speak. In this situation, the court appoints an administrator to handle the distribution of the decedents assets according to the laws of the state. As with dying with a will, assets are distributed after debts are paid. Again, a lawyer experienced in probate law can guide you through this process.
Here is a key point: If the estate is insolvent the creditor has no legal right to collect the debt from family members, children, or friends. In most states, the creditor cannot collect from the spouse either. However, in community property states, the question becomes more complicated.
Deceased Spouses Debt in Community Property States
Community property states include Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, and Wisconsin. Generally speaking, in community property states, debt incurred by a spouse for the benefit of the family is considered a “community” debt, and therefore the spouse is responsible for repaying that debt.
However, no two community property states use exactly the same laws. As a consequence, if you live in a community property state and have a spousal debt issue, it is imperative that you consult with an attorney in your state so that you understand your rights and liabilities in your particular circumstances.
Your Questions
You mentioned Alabama. Alabama is not a community property state, so my discussion about community property law does not apply to you if you reside in Alabama. You did not mention whether your wife died with a will. I will assume she died intestate (without a valid will). In a process called probate, the administrator will review all of your wifes assets and debts. You mentioned she had “credit insurance” on the vehicle, which I will infer means the balance of the car loan was paid when your wife passed away. The vehicle is an asset in her estate, unless your wife had your name on the title with hers. If your name is on the vehicles title, the vehicle became yours upon her passing.
For the sake of argument, let us assume her name was on the vehicle title alone. Let us also assume she had no other assets. And finally, let us assume the fair market value of the vehicle is $17,000. If that is the case, the administrator will sell the car, and pay the credit card company the balance owed, leaving you and her other heirs nothing. However, if the vehicle is worth more than the balance on the credit card account, then the remainder after paying off her debts will be distributed to your wifes heirs. On the other hand, if your wifes vehicle is worth less than $17,000, the administrator will sell it, give the proceeds of the sale to the creditor, and look elsewhere in your wifes estate for the balance.
Spousal Debt and Real Estate
I am concerned about the title of your home. You used the phrase “We own a home...” This implies both of your names are on the title.
The exact language used in conjunction with the names on the title is extremely important. If the language on the title is “John Doe and Jane Doe, as joint tenants” or “John Doe and Jane Doe, as joint tenants with right of survivorship” then your spouses interest in the property passed to you at the moment of death automatically.
Similarly, if the phrasing of the title is something like, “John Doe and Jane Doe, with a tenancy by the entirety” then your spouses interest in the property passed to you at the moment of death automatically.
With either a joint tenancy or a tenancy in the entirety, because your spouses interest passed to you without going through the probate process, the house is not an asset of your spouses estate. That means that the creditors have no legal means of stating any claim against your house — there is no way for them to attach a lien to the house.
On the other hand, if the phrasing used on the title to the house is something like, “John Doe and Jane Doe as tenants in common,” then we have a more complicated situation.
Tenancy in Common
In a tenancy in common, each person on the title has an undivided interest in the property. Each person can dispose of their share of the property without it affecting the ownership rights of others. Unlike a joint tenancy or a tenancy in the entirety, upon death the decedents interest does not flow to the other owners instantly. Instead, the interest is considered an asset of the estate, and is distributed according to the decedents will or the states intestate distribution rules.
In this case, if the house was titled as a tenancy in common, you would retain your interest, then as spouse receive one-half of her interest. Her remaining interest would proceed through probate. If estate was debt-free, the remaining interest would be distributed to her other heirs, such as any children she may have had.
If the house was titled as a tenancy in common, and your spouses estate had outstanding debt, then it is within the administrators power to sell the interest to raise funds to satisfy the debt.
As you may have gathered, the rules regarding how a property may be titled are intricate (they are almost universally hated among law students, too, but I digress.) For that reason, I recommend you take the documents regarding your spouses vehicle loan, her recent credit card statement, the title to your property, and any other documents that you think may be important regarding her finances to an Alabama attorney experienced in property or probate law. He or she will review the entire situation and give you a more detailed and precise discussion of your rights and liabilities.
Summary
First, for additional general information on who is responsible for deceased persons debts, see the Federal Trade Commission documents Paying the Debts of a Deceased Relative: Who Is Responsible? and FTC Issues Final Policy Statement on Collecting Debts of the Deceased. Both documents are excellent starting points for family members dealing with this issue. Second, to learn more specific information about your states probate rules, consult with a lawyer in your state experienced in probate law.
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Bill
Millbrook, NY | October 24, 2012
October 24, 2012
- The state where the property is situated, and
- How the property was titled (joint tenancy, tenancy in common, tenancy in the entirety, or community property)
Perhaps I lack imagination, but I fail to see what difference it makes if the student loan debt was pre-marital or incurred during the marriage. The issue is the lien was placed on property the debtor owned while she was alive. Depending on the state's laws and the property's title, the lien either remains in full effect or ceased when judgment-debtor died.
The surviving spouse should consult with a lawyer who has probate or property law experience to learn his rights and liabilities. Yes, a lawyer's time is not cheap, but if the circumstances are such that the lien is not longer effective, the lawyer's hourly fee will be money well spent.
Merritt Island, FL | May 12, 2012
May 14, 2012
What may be true is the decedent's family may not need to probate the estate. You mentioned Florida. Consult with a Florida lawyer to learn what, if any, steps your family needs to take to notify the decedent's creditors about their share (if any) of the estate.
Regardless of your mother living or not, it is inaccurate for the original creditor or collection agent to place one spouses debts on another's credit report in common law states. My advice?
- As I mentioned earlier, consult with a probate lawyer.
- File a dispute with each of the three credit reporting agencies that are publishing the erroneous information.
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In any case, the transfer of title and paying of the debt, should be done through an estate lawyer. If the deed and the loan were in your father's name, then his estate would be liable for paying off the loan, at the time of the transfer. If the sale brings insufficient funds, then the estate would be liable to pay, if there are other sources of money in the estate. In any case, seek advice from a lawyer who practices estate law.
Irvine, CA | February 15, 2012
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Holderness, NH | October 12, 2011
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Again, what I wrote above is simplified to illustrate the process in general. A lawyer in your mother's state who has probate experience can guide you through the process in detail.
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