Advice on Motorcycle Repossession

I have a motorcycle that I do not use and can't afford. Is it better if I surrender it voluntarily?

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Bill's Answer: Bills.com Resident Expert

Any repossession is generally considered a strongly negative mark on a consumer’s credit profile, and will usually lower his or her credit rating significantly. However, given the fact that your credit rating has already dropped to 590 due to past financial difficulties, this repossession may not cause a large drop in your credit rating. Had your credit score been an 800, I would have expected a significant drop after this repossession, but since your credit rating has already been damaged by other delinquent accounts, the impact of this repossession will likely be less severe, relatively speaking.

However, since the credit card debts that were charged off were already six years old, their negative impact on your credit rating would have ended within a year; derogatory credit listings fall off of your credit report seven years from the date of charge off. Had this repossession not occurred, your credit rating may have started to improve once these credit card debts began to fall off your report; unfortunately, the repossession means that you will likely be facing an uphill battle in obtaining reasonably priced credit for several years to come. For more information about credit, credit scoring, and credit reports, I encourage you to visit the Bills.com credit resources page.

Motorcycle Repossession & Credit Report

While it is likely that the repossession of your motorcycle will cause you some credit problems in the future, you should probably be more concerned about the possibility of the lender attempting to collect a deficiency balance on this obligation once the repossession is complete and the vehicle has been sold.

Deficiency Balance

When a vehicle is repossessed, the lender generally sells the property at auction. The lender would then apply the money it received at auction to the balance owed on the actual loan. If the auction proceeds are insufficient to cover the balance of the note, the borrower can be held liable for the difference, which is called a deficiency balance. A bank can collect on a deficiency balance just like any other unsecured debt (like credit cards, personal loans, etc.).

In a worst case scenario, the lender could sue you for the unpaid deficiency balance; if the court grants the creditor a judgment against you, it can work to enforce the judgment as allowed by your state’s laws, which may include wage garnishment, bank levies, property liens, etc.

In this case, since you are a student and your primary source of income is Social Security, the lender may have a hard time forcing you to pay any deficiency balance. If this lender starts trying to collect on a deficiency balance against you, I strongly encourage you to consult with an attorney in your area to discuss the potential consequences if you are unable to pay the debt. See Can a creditor be allowed to do Social Security garnishment? to learn more about this subject.

Bankruptcy & Deficiency Balance

Many consumers whose vehicles are repossessed find that filing bankruptcy can help solve their financial problems; I encourage you to visit the Bills.com bankruptcy information page to learn more about bankruptcy and the options available to you. In addition, if you are unable to file bankruptcy, a debt resolution program, such as debt settlement, may be able to help you negotiate a settlement with you creditor. To learn more about bankruptcy alternatives, I invite you to visit the Bills.com debt help page. If you think that bankruptcy may be a viable solution to your financial problems, you should consult with a qualified bankruptcy in your area to discuss the benefits and drawbacks of bankruptcy and how it may affect your financial situation.

I hope this information helps you Find. Learn & Save.

Best,

Bill

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Comments (57)


Jason F.
May 22, 2012
I went through personal bankruptcy almost 18 months ago. Part of my bankruptcy agreement was that I would retain my motorcycle and continue to make payments. However, during the process my bank sold my loan to a collection agency. Yet, in the past 18 months I have never received a statement or collection notice from the collection agency. My original bank/lien holder cannot or will not tell me who they sold the loan to. I want to license my bike to ride, but cannot do so without a title, which the new lien holder has. How do I find out who has the title? Or, can I apply for a replacement/lost title with the state and get my bike licensed? I've been paying the property taxes on it, so I'm in good standing as far as the state's tax man is concerned. Any suggestions?
Bills.com
May 22, 2012
We receive messages like yours regarding motorcycles often. Motorcycle lienholders, as a group, seem to be a remarkably lazy bunch and casual about collecting delinquent amounts due, if the experiences shared by Bills.com readers is an accurate reflection of their behavior.

I am not surprised the original creditor/lienholder has no record who it sold your collection account to. One thought: Go to AnnualCreditReport.com and pull a copy of your credit report from one of the big-three credit reporting agencies. The owner of your bike's collection account may be listed there. If not, then you can only sit back and wait for the collection agent to surface. Keep in mind that the collection agent bought your collection account for pennies on the dollar. Therefore, consider saving a bit each month in a separate bank account you can use to negotiate a lump-sum settlement of the account. Start negotiations at 15 cents on the dollar, and carry on from there.
Michael T.
April 16, 2012
I ran into some hard times, and had to stop paying on my bike, I contacted the bank told them what was up and they said sorry it will harm your credit. It did but that was about three years ago and I still have the bike no one ever came for it and I want to get rid of it, Since i don't have the title I cant sell it and they don't want it what should a do?
Bills.com
April 16, 2012
You have two choices: Keep the bike and at some point in the future work out a settlement with the original creditor or the collection agency the original creditor sold the account to. Or, do that now. By "settlement" I mean a deal of some kind for an amount less than the full balance due.
Tu P.
Coronado, CA  |  April 13, 2012
I have a motorcycle and, for financial reasons, I stopped making payments in December last year. Honda is out to repossess the motorcycle and the repossessing company has been looking for me at previous addresses. I found out through my dad they were looking for me and to take the bike away. I called them to set up a payment plan and they won't take one. They want the whole amount that was owed paid in full. They also told me that if they don't find me to take the motorcycle back they will call the sheriff department on me and so on. I can probably get the money together and pay the amount in full which is $3,000 in 3 months. But would I really get in trouble with the law and be prosecuted if they don't take the motorcycle back before I get the money together and pay the bike in full?
Bills.com
April 13, 2012
Depends on your state's repossession laws and the facts of your case. Some states tip the tables in favor of creditors, and others are more neutral. In most states, if you conceal the vehicle, then the creditor can involve law enforcement in the repossession. Consult with a lawyer in your state to learn the precise repossession rules, and to negotiate with Honda on your behalf to resolve the debt.
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Tu P.
Coronado, CA  |  April 13, 2012
I reside in the state of Texas. What would be the standard law in here? I have searched online and I can't really find anything. Wouldn't hiring a lawyer to work it out with Honda end up costing me more than just the $3,000?
Bills.com
April 13, 2012
See Texas Penal Code Title 7. Offenses Against Property Sec. 32.33. Hindering Secured Creditors to learn the rules for resisting a repossession. As mentioned earlier, other states have differing hindering rules.
Alex C.
March 24, 2012
A collection agency has threatened to repossess my motorcycle if I do not start making payments. I plan on making payments but here is my question. I have the title of the motorcycle in my name and my husband's name. The title does not have the original creditor's name as lien holder. The original contract states if I default on my loan they can repossess the motorcycle. I'm really confused. If the title clearly states that I am the owner with no lien holder can they still repossess the motorcycle?
Bills.com
March 26, 2012
Pretend for a moment you are standing in court in front of a judge arguing this case. I imagine the judge looking at the plaintiff and asking, "Why isn't the finance company's name on the title?" I imagine the plaintiff may claim there was a paperwork error, or maybe the lender had dealt with you before and had no issues, or maybe the lender looked at you thought you were the most honest person on earth. Regardless, the judge will read the contract and see both parties intended the loan to be secured by the motorcycle. I think it's highly likely a judge would find a way to allow a repossession. A title is one piece of evidence here, and not the only piece.

That said, I imagine there are some states with case and statutory law making it impossible for a secured creditor to repossess any vehicle without their name appearing on the title.

If you want an authoritative answer to your question, consult with a lawyer in your state who has consumer law experience.
Meg S.
Osawatomie, KS  |  January 20, 2012
My boyfriend bought a bike using HSBC Yamaha card. he was laid off so he let them repo the bike. We waited to hear something from the collections agency so we could settle with them. We never got any calls, no letters. Then his mom called and said they had gotten a letter from them. It said we had 30 days to dispute the amount, but it was dated back a month. We never received anything certified mail, no calls, nothing. And, the bike total was about $10,000, he paid on it for 2 years. Now they want $8000 back. If they repossessed the bike, how do we still owe so much? The letter doesn't say how much the bike was auctioned for. How can I find this information?
Bills.com
January 20, 2012
The lender.

As part of your settlement negotiation with the collection agent or original creditor, demand an accounting of the repossession and sale so that you can base your offer to settle on sound information. The collection agent or original creditor saying, "You owe us $X," may be nonsense or based on hard facts. Explain that without an accounting, they are not negotiating in good faith.
Yadimet A.
Miami, FL  |  September 24, 2011
My husband motorcycle was stolen last night. He didn't have insurance because here in Miami,FL they where asking him $400 monthly for insurance and he was paying all ready $323 for the motorcycle. He never missed a payment and he has taken good care of his credit. Now, he is devastated; he doesn't know what to do because he still owns about $11000, but it will be crazy to pay for a motorcycle that doesn't exist. We where thinking about buying a house within a year now all our plans drop to the floor. So my question is, if he has all his card pay off and he doesn't have any other debt how will this affect him? Also do you know any possible solution on how to negotiate with the bank? I would really appreciate your comment . Thank you.
Bills.com
September 25, 2011
If he stops making the required payments, it is going to harm his score greatly, perhaps so much that no home loan will be possible for quite a while.

You need to think about priorities. If getting the house is the most important goal, then keep making the motorcycle payments and have your husband find a cheap car or bike to use for transportation.

File a police report and contact the lender. It may be possible to negotiate a lump-sum settlement, if you can offer enough to defray the lender's costs to the point where it receives at least as much as the bike's bluebook value, factoring in what has already been paid. Your husband should contact the lender and get a feel for whether or not any flexibility is forthcoming.
Jay J.
Philadelphia, PA  |  July 25, 2011
Hi i bought a bike with a HSBC yamaha credit card 3 yrs ago but now i can't afford the payments and has missed couple payments. can HSBC repo the bike eventhough it was purchased using a credit card? thank you
Bills.com
July 25, 2011
It would not be appropriate for me to comment whether your particular loan through HSBC is secured (tied to the vehicle's title and you personally) or is unsecured (a personal loan). Look at your title. Is HSBC a lien holder? If yes, then HSBC has the right to repossess the vehicle. If no, and your name is the only one on the title, then HSBC has no right to repossess the vehicle.
Cori H.
Vancouver, WA  |  May 16, 2011
I filed bankruptcy last year, and it was discharged in October. Within a few monhts, HSBC reposesed only one of the two bikes I included in the case. The one they did reposess was a few thousand dollars more valuble than the one they didn't reposess. It's almost been a year since my bankruptcy has discharged, and I'm storing the bike just in case they do come and get it one of these days. I would like to know if there is a certain time limit HSBC has to come and get the bike? And did they not reposess it because it was of no value to them anymore? If so, then I want to sell it and get it out of my garage. can I do this legally?
Bills.com
May 17, 2011
Every week or so, Bills.com receives a message to Bill or in the comments about motorcycle owners who default on their payments and creditors who never repossess the bikes. We wish we had a one-size-fits-all, bullet-proof answer. Here is the problem: The title is in both the owner's name and the name of the lender (called a lienholder). In all jurisdictions, the owner must have the lienholder's signature on the title to sell the vehicle, whether it be an automobile, truck, trailer, RV, airplane, watercraft, ATV, snowmobile, or motorcycle. Owners of un-repossessed vehicles have several options for selling their vehicle, and none are good.
  • Contact the lender to learn if the collection account is for the vehicle was sold. If so, contact the collection agent and negotiate a settlement for the debt. The settlement will result in the lien being lifted from the title.
  • Contact your state's DMV to learn if it offers bonded titles.
  • If you make no headway with the previous two tactics, buy a wrecked bike that is the same make, year, and model of the one in your possession. Remove the good parts from your bike, and replaced the damaged parts on the wrecked bike to create one safe and drivable bike. Sell the bike with a salvage title.
  • Sell parts from the bike one at a time. This is called parting-out a bike in some locales.

We welcome readers with better ideas to add their comments below.

Sean G.
Boerne, TX  |  May 09, 2011
I bought a motorcycle in 2008 new from the dealership. My credit was not that good so my boss, at that time, co-signed for me. 1 1/2 years later I was laid off and they wanted me to sign a deal that stated if I had a payment that was over 30 days late that I would have to hand over the bike to them. In June of 2010, I was over 30 days on a payment and she sent her husband to get the bike. I didn't really agree to him taking it because I was still making payments on the bike and had already invested $12,000 in payments and did not want to make a criminal issue out of it (me doing bodily harm to him). since they have had possession of the bike, they have been making the payments. The contract from the loan company states that I am the primary owner of the bike and she is a co-borrower. They have had the bike for 6 months stating that they are trying to sell the bike, so far they have not. We are both listed on the title in Texas and I have purchased all registration stickers for it. My question is, how much weight does the agreement that we signed for being late over 30 days hold? It was not notarized. I am hoping that the only contract that really has any value is the one that we signed with the loan company. I am wanting the bike back and start making the payments again. at this time, I do not know the location of the bike. Is it my right to know where it is? Can I report it stolen if I do not know its location? Need some serious help with this situation. I am wanting to go to JP court to get this settled, but only want to do it if I know that I will get the bike back.
Bills.com
May 10, 2011
A contract is a contract, in almost all cases, whether the contract is spoken, or written. A notarized contract is required in some states for a real property transaction. The fact that a contract is notarized does not make it legally binding (for example, a contract for slavery is always illegal), and conversely, a non-notarized contract for a student loan, credit card, cable TV service, airline tickets, utilities, used car sales, and so on are rarely notarized but are enforced in courts of law. If there is a question of whether you or the other party agreed to the terms of the contract, then that is a legitimate issue, but that does not seem to be the issue here.

You mentioned you have put $12,000 into repaying the loan. The other party has paid down the loan, too. It is not fair for you or the other party to walk away with the motorcycle without compensating the other party. Therefore, find a mediator, and invite the other party in the contract to a mediation session that resolves your dispute. If the other party refuses mediation, then consult with a lawyer who has experience in civil litigation to learn your rights and liabilities.
Kenji Y.
Carlisle, MA  |  April 25, 2011
I've got a motorcycle thru motorcycle loan. I pay for about 2 months and i decided to surrender the motorcycle since i cannot manage to pay anymore the monthly payments. Do i have to pay for the following month?or as i request for repossession, does the payment will end?
Bills.com
April 26, 2011
Reread the section entitled "Deficiency Balance" in the original answer above to understand the potential liability you face for a repossession. Your liability is potentially much greater than a single monthly payment.
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