Second Mortgage in Charge-Off Status

What are the ramifications of a second mortgage in charge off status?

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Bill's Answer: Answered by Brad Stroh

Before addressing the central issues in your question, let us define charge off.

Charge Off

Charge-off (sometimes called write-off) is an accounting term used by creditors when they move a delinquent account from its accounts receivable books to its bad debt ledger. This usually occurs between 180 and 240 days from the date of the last payment. The fact an account is charged-off does not mean the debt may not be collected later. The charge-off date also does not correspond to the statute of limitations on collecting a debt, or the date that an entry on a credit record must be removed. All three dates or deadlines are independent of each other and have different meanings. I explain more about the ramifications of a second mortgage in charge-off status in just a moment.

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A charged-off account does not mean:

  • The debt is canceled
  • The debt is forgiven
  • The creditor forfeits a right to collect the debt

The creditor may move a charged-off account to its own internal collections department, or sell the debt to a third-party collection agency.

Second Mortgage Foreclosure

Home loan lenders have the right to foreclose if you fail to make your payments for any mortgage. The fact a second mortgage is in a junior position to the first mortgage does not prevent the second mortgage lender from foreclosing.

Try to work out some sort of a payment arrangement with your lender for the second mortgage to avoid a foreclosure. The foreclosure process varies from state to state, but generally takes from two to 18 months depending on the terms of your loan and your state of residence. However, a good rule of thumb is the bank can proceed with the foreclosure process if mortgage payments are not received within 150 days. See the Bills.com Foreclosure Rules resource to learn the specific rules for your state.

If a foreclosure occurs, the second mortgage is paid after the first mortgage is repaid in full. If the sale price is less than the value of the mortgages held against it, then in most states you will owe a deficiency balance. The good news is a deficiency balance (if it exists and if your lenders pursue collections) is an unsecured debt you can enroll in a debt settlement program. However, some states outlaw the collection of mortgage deficiency balances. See the Bills.com Anti-Deficiency resource to learn the rules for your state.

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Here is the good news: Lenders don’t like to foreclose on mortgages. Foreclosures are costly, so lenders foreclose only as a way of limiting losses on a defaulted loan. If homeowners get behind on payments, lenders will most likely work with them to bring the loan current.

To do so, however, communicate with the lender and be honest about your financial situation. The lender’s willingness to help with current problems will depend heavily on past payment records. If you have made consistent, timely payments and had no serious defaults, the lender will be more receptive than if the person has a record of unexplained late payments. If you are falling behind in payments or who know you are likely to do so soon, contact your lender right away about meeting to discuss alternative payment arrangements.

Loan Workout Plan

An agreement between borrower and lender to prevent the loss of a home is called a loan workout plan. It will have specific deadlines that must be met to avoid foreclosure. Therefore, it must be based on what the borrower really can do to get the loan up to date again. The nature of the plan will depend on the seriousness of the default, prospects for obtaining funds to cure the default, whether the financial problems are short-term or long-term, and the current value of the property.

If the default is caused by a temporary condition likely to end within 60 days, the lender may consider granting temporary indulgence. Those who have suffered a temporary loss of income but can demonstrate that the income has returned to its previous level may be able to structure a repayment plan. This plan requires normal mortgage payments to be made as scheduled along with an additional amount that will end the delinquency in no more than 12 to 24 months. In some cases, the additional amount may be a lump-sum due at a specific date in the future. Repayment plans are probably the most frequently used type of agreement.

Foreclosure, Generally

Foreclosure is a serious situation that has serious repercussions. If you can, you want to avoid a foreclosure as much at all costs. Bills.com is here to help. We also offer helpful guides, foreclosure FAQs, glossary terms, and other helpful tools to help you keep your home and avoid a bank repossession.

You can find more in depth information about foreclosures on our Bills.com foreclosure information page. See also Home Affordable Foreclosure Alternatives Program.

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Bill

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Comments (267)


Stacy N.
Goodyear, AZ  |  March 27, 2013
My situation is slightly different. I live in AZ and have rec'd 1099-C Cancellation of Debt, but I have not rec'd a Release of Lien. After speaking with BOA, it appears as though they will not to send me one. Bank of America says, "Just because they forgave the debt doesn't mean they will release the lien until the debt is paid in full."

Any suggestions as to how to obtain a Release of Lien or a Release Certificate so I can refi and get away from Bank of America?

Thank you for this type of forum! as most of us can't afford to hire and attorney and need to do this leg work ourselves.
Bills.com
March 27, 2013
What you are experiencing with the 1099-C would not be out of place in Alice In Wonderland. Bank of America's explanation is accurate: A lender that issues a 1099-C may continue to pursue the borrower to collect the debt. Of course, this seems absurd because the 1099-C's title contains the plain language "Cancellation of Debt," which anywhere else in the English-speaking world would imply the lender abandoned hope of collecting the debt and declares to the federal government the IRS should consider the amount cancelled as income for the borrower. But no, that's not quite what a 1099-C means. Borrowers still owe a debt "cancelled" in a 1099-C.

You asked how to rid yourself of the loan and lien. You have two options:
  • Negotiate a settlement for less than the balance due. You have some leverage now that Bank of America has written-off the loan and has moved it out of its current accounts ledger.
  • Talk to a bankruptcy lawyer to learn if filing a chapter 13 would strip the lien on what I assume is a junior mortgage/deed of trust.
Susanna B.
Traverse City, MI  |  January 20, 2013
Hi, I just wrote a few minutes ago and wanted to add that both my 1st and 2nd mortgages are with Chase. The guy on the phone that told me a payment in full or a settlement was the only way to avoid foreclosure said "look at it from our point of view, you have equity in your home, you could sell it, pay it off, and still walk away with money." We want to stay in our home. We've lived here many years, and could never buy in this neighborhood again. Where would we go anyway? We could afford to buy another house, or get a loan!
Bills.com
January 23, 2013
For the benefit of other readers, whether the personal liability for a junior mortgage or deed of trust is discharged in a bankruptcy, a homeowner stopping their monthly payments allows the mortgage lender to foreclose. Again for the benefit of other readers, always consult with your bankruptcy lawyer about which payments you should and should not make when you file a bankruptcy. Failing to do so can result in unintended consequences, as Susanna's comments here illustrate clearly.

Susanna, consult with your bankruptcy lawyer immediately, and ask him or her to negotiate a settlement with Chase on the junior mortgage. The good news here is the Chase representative indicated a willingness on the part of the lender to negotiate a settlement. By all means, take them up on the offer and have your lawyer start talking to Chase now.
Susanna B.
Traverse City, MI  |  January 20, 2013
I just went through bankruptcy, it was discharged a few months ago. Reaffirmed my home with approximately 90,000 left on the mortgage. Also have a second mortgage (home equity loan) that I owe almost 30,000 on. My home is valued at approximately 180,00 - 200,000. First mortgage payments have been paid on time for years, the Home equity payments also, until the time of filing more than a year ago. We stopped making the home equity payments when we filed because we thought that portion was being discharged (not sure why we thought that). We just called the bank (Chase) to find out how to pay and get caught up and were told it was too late, it has been charged off and would be forclosed! We have enough money to make all missed payments and income to resume the loan, but they said no. They said they may make a settlementand to send them an offer. We are not sure what to do, as we only have around 5000. I'm sure no one would lend us the money this close after foreclosre. Any advice?
J T.
Royal Oak, MI  |  January 08, 2013
My boyfriend did a HAFA modification of his 1st mortgage. His 2d mortgage is with BOA. They sent him a letter stating that his 2d mortgage didn't qualify for a HAFA modification because his payment was under $100/mo. He just got a letter stating that his 2d mortgage has been "charged off" asking him to contact BOA to work out a payment arrangement. The letter states that a payment must be made within 10 days of the date of the letter. Thing is that he received the letter 11 days after it was dated. Thoughts? Strategy? Amount owing is $20K. House might be worth what the 1st mortgage balance is but is more likely slightly underwater. Do you think an offer of 10% of the balance would fly? If they take the offer do they have to relinquish the lien?
Bills.com
January 11, 2013
I recommend contacting the bank as soon as possible, explaining that the letter was just received, and working to reach an agreement. In terms of the percentage to offer, there is no fixed amount. Start low, at 10-15%. You can increase the offer, if necessary but not reduce it. If the agreement is to settle the debt in full, bringing it to a $0 balance, the lien would not remain in force. Get any agreement in writing and keep the correspondence, so you can prove that the debt was settled, in case you need to demonstrate that to another creditor.
Kay Y.
Lutz, FL  |  October 01, 2012
have 2nd mortgage on house. Will not sign subordination agreement. Have 1st mortgage going through mod, but need subord agreement from 2nd mortgage to make final. If 2nd mortgage wrote off loan, can I take this information ie credit report to title company and have them refile a title taking 2nd mortgagee off lien?
Bills.com
October 02, 2012
Even if the second mortgage writes-off the loan, it is not forfeiting its lien position. I don't believe there is much you can do short of paying off the second or settling it for a reduced amount that brings the debt to a $0 balance.
Christine O.
August 18, 2012
I would like to ask for legal advice. A property owned by my aunt was redeemed by my father, since my aunt didn't have enough fund to pay for the mortgage. So my father paid for it. In exchange for the payment, he was given by my aunt the SPECIAL POWER OF ATTORNEY to sell the property. Unfortunately, my father met an accident and died last year. My aunt is now claiming for the property since the one given the authority to sell already died. We are 7 siblings in the family left together with our mother. Do we have the right to the property since we have a proof that our father redeemed it? thank you
Bills.com
August 20, 2012
Christine, your excellent question needs to be addressed to an attorney. You should be able to get a free consultation with an experienced probate attorney. Take any proof you have of what your father received in exchange for paying for your aunt's mortgage. It could be the case that the right to sell the property expired with your father's passing. It could be the case that the underlying claim to the property passed on to his heirs. Only an attorney can help you answer this properly.
John S.
Manchester, NJ  |  August 09, 2012
I am hoping you might be able to help me with this. We got a second mortage and our lawyer was very crooked back in 2000 and tied what we owed on our camper to our house. The loan got bought out from PNC bank by ostrowitz & ostrowitz. This is not where the problem is though. They have us paying to them (which is no problem), but upon requesting what we still owe, we were told basically tough luck, keep records yourself. I have tried repeatedly calling to ask them what our balance is and they refuse to give us any sort of record. Therefore, we have no idea if we are close to paid off, if they are just going to keep collecting our fixed income until we die or what. Is there anything we can do in this situation?
Bills.com
August 13, 2012
Consult with a lawyer. First, ask him or her to send a firm but polite letter to the lender asking for an amortization table on your remaining balance. Second, if this goes nowhere, ask him or her about stopping payment on the loan in an effort to bring the lender to the table with a few facts about your loan.
Steve S.
Fort Myers, FL  |  February 15, 2012
I was forgiven my second morgage and was discharged last year chapter 13 in october can i know sell my house for a profit since the second morgage is gone i do have equity or can my creditors come after me for monies.My att. told me that since it is not filed with the courts yet the case is tech.still open and they could come after the poss. come after the money
Bills.com
February 15, 2012
Your lawyer has more facts about your case at his or her hands than I do, so it would be foolish for me to comment on your situation.
Omar P.
Gilroy, CA  |  February 13, 2012
I claimed bankruptcy in 10/11 but did not include my house, which is upside down. I owe $275k on the first but the second I owe $350k with Chase. The second gave me a modification which is unaffordable. I told them I can no longer make the payment and they suggested that I ask for a settlement review. They also want to see proof of funds when I make my offer. What should I offer or what would be reasonable? I have a steady job but pay $1,700 on the first and $1,100 on the second. My take-home is only $4,300 monthly and I have three children.
Bills.com
February 13, 2012
The first sentence in your message confuses me for three reasons. First, all debts are supposed to be included in a bankruptcy filing. Second, even if you could pick and choose which debts to include in a bankruptcy, I am confused why you would not include an upside-down mortgage. Third, given your income, I wonder why you did not realize the mortgage was such a large fraction of your take-home pay when you filed for bankruptcy.

"Reasonable" varies according to the situation. I suspect there are more relevant facts to your case than what you shared. Accordingly, I urge you to consult with a lawyer in your state who has experience negotiating with mortgage companies.
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Jaymin P.
Bedford Hills, NY  |  July 27, 2012
Not sure where you were educated in bankruptcies; but, all debts are not included!!! You can choose which debt is included. Depending on state law it might not be beneficial to include a mortgage in the bankruptcy. Most secured debt included in a bankruptcy is given back to the lender; so, they can liquidate and get some of their money back. So, if you want to keep your house, I guess the question would be... Why would you include your mortgage in the bankruptcy? You should have asked what type of bankruptcy did you file; before you even attempted to answer the question!
Bills.com
July 27, 2012
According to the US Bankruptcy Code, a person filing for bankruptcy protection must schedule "all entities holding claims" in their filing. A debtor must state, under oath, they listed all of their assets and all of their creditors. I would be very interested to read about any exceptions to that rule in the US Bankruptcy Code.

You asked why anyone would include a mortgage in their bankruptcy. First, to comply with the law the debtor must include all claims against them, including mortgages. Second, a property owner may not lose their property in a bankruptcy. Depending on the debtor's circumstances and the exemptions rules in the debtor's state, the debtor may be able to protect some or all of their property's equity with an exemption. In many circumstances, a debtor will be able to retain ownership of their property if they continue to make their house payments. One benefit bankruptcy has for homeowners with mortgages is the bankruptcy discharge will remove the homeowner's personal liability for the loan. A first mortgage's lien remains, so the lender retains the ability to foreclose if the borrower defaults on their monthly payments.

As implied in your message, financial circumstances vary by person. A debtor considering bankruptcy should consult with a lawyer who has bankruptcy experience to discuss all of their options and the costs of each.
Fred H.
Freehold, NJ  |  February 03, 2012
My situation is a little different.I have equity. I have a first that by the grace of god after fighting for it i got a Modification with BOA(280,000.00).My second loan is with PNC who will not help at all. They really are a different breed.They are a one way street. They are threatening to foreclose and put account in chage-off without warning.They claim i have equity and tell me since i am charged off they cant do a payment plan or anything of such. They will only take a settlement offer. So i wrote my hardship letter and offererd ten percent on 150,000.00. They told me that i insulted them and said they are pushing for forecloser. I asked to take to the super and she said the lowest they will do is 60,000.00. I really cant get this amount so im hoping that later they will come down.Someone told me that after forecloser starts you can do mediation with a lawyer? I dont want to lose our house and can not beleive how these banks took our tax money to bail them out and then turn around and put the people who saved them out on the street with kids and could really care less! Sorry to vent Thank you this site really helps in many ways.
Bills.com
February 04, 2012
Consult with a lawyer now. For example, Nevada offers an excellent mortgage mediation program the other states should adopt. Your state may offer a mediation program too. If not, a lawyer with foreclosure background may be able to negotiate a deal with PNC that both parties can live with.
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Saqib S.
Sterling, VA  |  February 11, 2012
I'm in the exact situation you are, ie PNC has my second mortgage and is not willing to negotiate as my account has gone into charge-off. Send me a message on my email address - vtmuslim@gmail.com and I'd like to compare notes on how to deal with PNC. Thanks.
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