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- Dave Ramsey advises you to never take out a personal loan to pay off debt.
- Run the numbers to see if a debt consolidation loan saves you more money than Debt Snowball.
- Do you want to send money to your creditors that you can put in your own account?
Dave Ramsey is Wrong About Personal Loans
There are people who advise you to never take on debt to pay off debt. Yes, Dave Ramsey and his followers, I am speaking of you! Their black and white point of view is not based on the numbers, but on their view of human psychology.
Dave Ramsey will say that even if you can save a lot of money through a debt consolidation loan, don't do it. I am not going to dismiss the advice Dave gives. I understand that he bases his view on the behavior patterns of people he has observed. He has seen that too many people who pay off debt with a loan run debt up again. He says never to take on debt to pay off debt, emphasizing that people need to undergo a mind-shift so they view debt as toxic.
People often behave irresponsibly and don't act in their own interests. I saw this type of behavior when I was a mortgage loan officer. Too many people who paid off debt with their home equity only ran up new debt in only a few years.
I admire Dave Ramsey for getting people to address their spending, taking control of their cash flow, and committing to a disciplined program of paying down debt and saving money, starting with building an Emergency Fund that protects you in case there is an unexpected expense or loss of income.
What I disagree with is telling people that they should not save thousands of dollars that they could use to fund the very emergency fund Dave values so highly. Instead, Dave Ramsey tells you, as part of your "Baby Steps," you should accelerate payments to your credit card companies to get out of debt. His advice is to take money you could put in your own pocket and pay it in interest to your creditors.
Keep Your Money, Even if Dave Ramsey Wants Your Creditors to Get It
It is easy to prove that you can get out of debt faster and at a lower cost by taking on a new debt if the terms are right. Depending on the interest rates on your credit cards and the rate you qualify for on a debt consolidation loan, a personal loan is the best choice.
Here is a comparison of options to pay off $22,000 in debt:
Let’s say that you have one credit card with a $10,000 balance @ 22% and one with a $12,000 balance @ 19%.
You could pay off using two Do-it-Yourself strategies or with a personal loan:
- Pay the required minimum payment each month (an amount that decreases each month as your balances drop).
- Pay fixed amount each month using avalanche or snowball method, targeting the highest interest card or smallest balance.
- Take out a personal loan.
Dave Ramsey advocates the Debt Snowball, targeting the smallest credit card balance first. Again, his point is psychological. Dave acknowledges that it is cheaper to pay off via the Debt Avalanche, where you target the highest interest card, but you are better off with the boost of seeing one card go to $0. Given the fact that the dollar savings are not often huge with Snowball vs Avalanche, Dave's point has greater weight than the huge savings you will see below when you compare a personal loan to Debt Avalanche.
The example below takes realistic credit card interest rates and uses an 11% personal loan rate that is also realistic, not using the best loan rates available, which only few borrowers get.
Assuming that your minimum payments are 3% of your balance (and at least $20) here are the total costs and the time frame to pay off the $22,000 debt:
- Minimum payment: $49,995 and more than 23.5 years
- Avalanche payment, using $660 as a fixed payment: $32,765 and just under 50 months (about 4 years and two months).
- Personal loan at 11% also with a payment of about $660: $26,374 and you will finish the loan just under 40 months (just under 3 years and 4 months).
That means you save more than $6,300 if you choose a personal loan instead of following Dave Ramsey's advice! If a lender charges a fee for the loan, subtract it from the $6,300 savings.
Do You Agree With Dave and Pass on the $6,300?
$6,300 is not chump change. That is a few months of living expense for your emergency fund right there.
$6,300 is a huge boost to you, psychologically, too. It also provides solid protection from the financial shock of a surprise expense or loss in income. The $6,300 reinforces the benefit of analyzing your overall financial picture and making a smart decision. Following this advice also instills the habit of saving, as you finish repaying the loan and take that money and, each month, deposit it into your Emergency Fund savings.
Given all the benefits of the personal loan in this scenario, and how it dovetails with his advice to build Emergency Fund savings and pay down debt as a priority, it is difficult for me to understand why Dave Ramsey insists this is a bad choice. He could advise to be extra cautious, to cease using your credit cards, or even close them, to protect against using them and getting into debt again.
No matter how you get out of debt, it is up to you to avoid falling into debt again. You can do it! If you need to, cut up your cards or lock them away where you don’t have access to them.
Don't make any decision without doing the math. See what rate you qualify for by shopping for a debt consolidation loan. Take the monthly Snowball payment Dave recommends and see what would happen if you repaid the debt in Snowball and in paying the loan. If your savings are huge, what will you do?
Which Line Do You Choose?
If you were the person with $22,000 in credit card debt and there were two lines, one for people who choose to pay back $32,765 and one for people to choose to pay back $26,374, which line would you get in? Remember, you are making the same size monthly payment in each line. I know which line I would be in- the long line!!!
If you answer that, knowing yourself, you are better off following Dave's advice to the letter, even if it costs you thousands of dollars more, at least you are making a thoughtful decision. I don't doubt that some people want the security of following Dave's system to the letter for it to work.
You may choose, however, to take the savings and do something smart with them. Why not do something Dave also holds dear, fund your Emergency Savings account? You can find a good use for that much money, using it responsibly, in a way that promotes your overall financial health, not in a way that sucks you back into debt.
Dealing with debt
Mortgages, credit cards, student loans, personal loans, and auto loans are common types of debts. According to the NY Federal Reserve total household debt as of Q2 2022 was $16.15 trillion. Housing debt totaled $11.71 trillion and non-housing debt was $4.45 trillion.
A significant percentage of people in the US are struggling with monthly payments and about 26% of households in the United States have debt in collections. According to data gathered by Urban.org from a sample of credit reports, the median debt in collections is $1,739. Credit card debt is prevalent and 3% have delinquent or derogatory card debt. The median debt in collections is $422.
Collection and delinquency rates vary by state. For example, in North Carolina, 15% have student loan debt. Of those holding student loan debt, 8% are in default. Auto/retail loan delinquency rate is 4%.
Avoiding collections isn’t always possible. A sudden loss of employment, death in the family, or sickness can lead to financial hardship. Fortunately, there are many ways to deal with debt including an aggressive payment plan, debt consolidation loan, or a negotiated settlement.